Welham then scored the Hurricanes opener when Richard Wilkinson sent out a looping pass for him to score in the corner and Ben Stead converted. 3 Matt Welham The 192728 season saw the Lions sweep all before them. 1,024 talking about this. Another Hurricanes error on sixteen minutes presented the Lions with a chance to score and they took it when Anthony Dyne crossed in the left corner and again Gregson converted. He played at representative level for Great Britain, England and Lancashire, and at club level for Folly Lane ARLFC [1] (in Pendlebury), Swinton and Wigan, as a second-row or Loose forward, i.e. 6 Nick Gregson 21 Jonny Openshaw Sedgley Park, Whitefield(2004-2011) 1 Nathan Hill In 2006, the return to Swinton and Pendlebury was taken one step further when club chairman, John Kidd, announced on 9 August that the club had acquired a site to build a 6,000 capacity stadium with training facilities and community use in Agecroft, Pendlebury. A Super League Dream Team of players who have suffered The 10 biggest shock results in Super League history; NRL star leading potential strike action leans on degree Five of the biggest transfer fees paid in Super League The star-studded St Helens team which could win a record Departing Championship man backs former club to be a 23 Joe Lowe 5, Johnny Stopford Appearances: 298 Tries: 195 Goals: 1 (Merged Threads), The five greatest rule changes in Super League history. Championship 1991/92. 23 Chris Cullimore Goals: Stead Subs (all used) 10, Roby Muller In January 2014, Salford City Reds owner Marwan Koukash announced his intention to revolutionise Swinton town centre via the development of St Ambrose Barlow RC High School. As for Valentine he was incredibly killed by lightning whilst on holiday at Barmouth in 1904. [10] As a result of the opposition the re-brand plans were shelved and almost the entire board resigned on 12 September 2019, leaving sole remaining director Steve Wild in charge to re-structure the club. Appearances:129, Tries:69, Goals:0 The Lions produced an eight-try performance in a very competitive warm up game in which the Hurricanes showed they will have a promising season with some good play. If the 1928 team was built around brilliant backs, the next great Swinton side relied on awesome forward power, international frontmen Fred Butters, Joe Wright and Tommy Armitt, not to mention the legendary Martin Hodgson who had now emerged as one of the finest second-row forwards the game has ever seen, guaranteed that further Championships were won in 1931 and 1935. Three new signings to debut for Hull KR against Featherstone Rovers as Willie Peters names squad, London Broncos Matchday Experience in 2023. 14 Josh Eaves International front-men Fred Butters, Joe Wright and Tommy Armitt, not to mention the legendary Martin Hodgson who had now emerged as one of the finest second-row forwards the game had ever seen, guaranteed that further Championships were won in 1931 and 1935. The only remaining director Steve Wild set about assembling a new board and plotting an alternative strategic course, whilst Head Coach Stuart Littler provided stability for the players and coaching staff. Appearances:99, Tries:26, Goals:0 In May 2009, John Kidd announced that he hoped to be in a position to apply for planning permission from the local council by the autumn. Ian Blease (born 1 January 1965) is an English former professional rugby league footballer who played as a prop or second-row for Salford and Swinton. Although the Lions won a fourth and final Lancashire Cup in 1969 the dye was cast, and by the time two divisions were introduced in 1973 Swinton found themselves out of top flight. Concentrating on a youth policy and training methods beyond his era, Evans began to model an exiting, young Swinton team. Appearances:216, Tries:49, Goals:3 4 Sam Richards Check out our other selections from different eras in Swinton Lions history below. Officially round 3 due to the competitions temporary restructure in 2021. Joe Lycett shreds 10,000 after David Beckham ignores his ultimatum MEN Frontpage Sport Rugby League Rugby League Swinton Lions to build new stadium at Agecroft and finally return home. 6 Nick Gregson Stand-off in the first season of rugby league, 1895-96 214: Henry Higham: 13 . The Lions took control again on fifty-two minutes when Gav Rodden sent out a short pass for Andrew Badrock to score on the right, but Gregson was unable to convert this one. Please note that the numbers below are based on data contained in the RLP database, and may not be accurate. Throughout the 1920s the Lions got better and better until at last they won their Lancashire Cup in 1925 before recapturing the Challenge Cup in 1926. 24 Jacob Beer Welham then scored the Hurricanes opener when Richard Wilkinson sent out a looping pass for him to score in the corner and Ben Stead converted. Welham then scored the Hurricanes opener when Richard Wilkinson sent out a looping pass for him to score in the corner and Ben Stead converted. 2,Scott Ranson + 2.50 P&P. A rent dispute in 1928 caused the club to search for pastures new so they reluctantly vacated Chorley Road and built a new stadium just off Station Road on former allotments, taking the old stands with them. Appearances:148, Tries:75, Goals:3 6 Ben Stead 9 Elliott Windley The 1980s, the decade when we emerged from the doldrums to become a top end Second Division side, inter-dispersed with a fair share of memorable triumphs! However, what it also had was a staggering number of local junior teams from which the club drew its talent. The club came under the stewardship of chairman, John Kidd and fellow directors Paul Kidd (chairman's son), Dave Roberts and Ben Jones. In 1888 the first ever tourists to Australasia included four Swinton players, of whom Robert Seddon was named captain. 17 Matt Bailey 21 Jonny Openshaw 18 Liam Cooper The Lions step-up into the championship proved as difficult as imagined but many creditable performances keep the fans hopeful for 2013. Past Players - Swinton Lions - Total Rugby League Fans Forum All Activity Home CHAMPIONSHIP CLUB FORUMS Swinton Lions Past Players Past Players By steve wild, February 10, 2015 in. Follow us on Twitter This meteoric rise in stature was made all the more remarkable by the fact Swinton at this time was nothing more than a tiny colliery village with a few cotton mills. Such was the Lions' success that by the mid-1880s Swinton had become recognised as a national force and unquestionably they were the strongest team in Lancashire. In June 2014, Ian Watson left to join Salford and John Duffy replaced him as head coach in July. 3 Jake Spedding MATCHFACTS 13 Louis Brogan In 1871, they joined the Rugby Football Union as "Swinton and Pendlebury F.C. He comes to us highly recommended, and Head Coach Allan Coleman will be looking to assess his capabilities ahead of our league opener against Newcastle Thunder on 5th February. 10 Kenny Baker by AAP. Swinton won the Lancashire Cup again in dramatic style against Widnes in 1940, but thereafter the War curtailed the promise of further progress. The Falcons compete in the Queensland Cup and have an affiliation with Melbourne Storm. The 25-year-old attended a trial at the League One club in November and . Tony Sullivan - St Helens #67 Rugby League 1991 Merlin Trading Card. The Northern Union was then split into two county leagues, Lancashire and Yorkshire. Become a Patron, To view matches in which a player appeared, click the, Centre, Five-Eighth, Halfback, Lock, Bench, Front Row, Hooker, Second Row, Lock, Bench, Five-Eighth, Halfback, Front Row, Second Row, Lock, Bench, Fullback, Wing, Centre, Halfback, Lock, Bench, Wing, Centre, Front Row, Second Row, Bench. The Lions finished strongly with firstly Cox crossing the line on seventy-one minutes after a nice pass by Kenny Baker and Gregson converted this one too, and Gregson turned provider for the last try with a superb, measured kick to the left corner which was finished off superbly by trialist Callum Hughes and Gregson capped off his day with a touchline conversion and an impressive display by the Lions. He previously played for Folly Lane ARLFC [1] (in Pendlebury), and Salford City Reds in the Super League, his choice of position is either Prop, or Second-row. With Salford moving to a new stadium in Barton, Eccles, Swinton set up a ground-share with Leigh in the Co-operative Championship for the 2012 season and onwards whilst they await permission to build their own ground at Agecroft.[6]. The Lions finished strongly with firstly Cox crossing the line on seventy-one minutes after a nice pass by Kenny Baker and Gregson converted this one too, and Gregson turned provider for the last try with a superb, measured kick to the left corner which was finished off superbly by trialist Callum Hughes and Gregson capped off his day with a touchline conversion and an impressive display by the Lions. 8 Gavin Bennion SCORING SEQUENCE: 6-0,12-0,18-0,22-0,22-6,28-6,32-6,32-10,38-10,44-10. In its heyday it boasted a capacity of 60,000, although with a record attendance of 44,621 for a cup semi-final in 1951 this was never really tested. Losses. The official name of the club would remain Swinton Lions but the branding and presentation would all become Manchester. Started 52 minutes ago, By Thank you @White Chevron on Blueyour help gratefully appreciated. The new ground could accommodate much larger crowds and the staging of County matches added to Swinton's growing reputation. 12 Mitch Cox Are there any members on here that are into Swinton Heritage players? Tries: M.Welham (28), Appiah-Kubi (56) hunsletgreenandgold FEATURED. 1908 I have recently started the impossible task of trying to find every player that played a first team game for Castleford. Here we feature 15 of the best, but who would be in your line-up? International Rugby Wallabies star Lachlan Swinton set for French series after escaping suspension despite red card. Note: Twice promoted 1985 & 1987 & Division 2 Premiership 1987, No.5, Derek Bate Calum is 27 years old and has been a stand-out performer for the Ince Rosebridge club in the National Conference League Division 1 over recent seasons. The path from rugby league to American Football is, if not well-trodden, perhaps more trodden . In 1873, they moved from Burying Lane (Station Road from circa 1889) to a ground known as Stoneacre, and used the nearby White Lion public house as changing rooms. Alan Marshall and Stephen Wild were nominated by the Supporters' Trust to fill two positions on the new board of directors. Calum is 27 years old and has been a stand-out performer for the Ince Rosebridge club in the National Conference League Division 1 over recent seasons. In search of crowning the greatest Swinton Lions team ever, we delve into the history books to look at some of the greatest players to play for the club. 10 Kenny Baker Note: Twice promoted in 1985 & 1987 & won Div 2 Premiership 1987, No. Cox (71), Hughes (75) All Matches. The foundation of Swinton Rugby Club can be traced back to 1866. Hurricanes were playing some exciting rugby and they added their second try four minutes later when a nice kick by Wilkinson was finished off well by winger Desmond Appiah-Kubi in the right corner, but Stead was unable to convert. 15 Macauley Hallett Unfortunately the football club would not grant Swinton a ten year lease which would be required to enable much needed funding to bring the ground up to standard. 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Rugby union (pre-2 June 1896), and rugby league footballers who have played for Swinton Lions (Swinton 18661996). 15 Jordan Case Ken Gowers, John Speed, Bobby Fleet, Alan Buckley, Johnny Stopford, George Parkinson and Graham Williams. To complete two remarkable seasons, Swintons 6th title was retained in style 12 months later. In March 1929, a 22,000 crowd saw the Lions defeat Wigan 9-3 in the first match on their new turf. 7 Richard Wilkinson 18 Liam Cooper RFL re-structuring then left the Lions in the third tier for season 2015, and at this point the former Leigh Chairman, John Roddy, accepted the role of Chairman. Scroll down to the team photo 1934/5 Jack Cheetham is on the second row 5th from right. It was also announced that the new player/coach for season 2010 would be Paul Smith with Ian Watson as his assistant player/coach. Since 2013 the club have played at Leigh Sports Village and in the same year while the land at Agecroft remained a dream, Dr. Marwan Koucash announced his intention to build a stadium for the club on the old St. Ambrose Barlow playing fields behind the Town Hall. A decade which brought back-to-back Championship titles, 5 Lancashire Cup final appearances, but not to mention heartache in the Challenge Cup! Started 1 hour ago, By In doing so, he was following in the footsteps of his two brothers who also played for Leigh. (Merged Threads), The five greatest rule changes in Super League history. Players such as Les Holliday (son of Bill) and Danny Wilson offered great hope for the future, but despite a Second Division Premiership success in 1987, three separate promotions simply brought about three immediate relegations. The club had first formed in 1935 (I think Frank was still playing even then but was probably just a Colt in those days !) Later that same year, the first tourists to reach these shores, a team of New Zealand Maoris, was defeated at Chorley Road. Sin-bin: Moran (70) Interference . The highlight during this period was a run to the Championship One play-off final in 2006, following epic victories at Featherstone Rovers and Celtic Crusaders. In 1900, led by Jim Valentine, they won the Rugby League Challenge Cup defeating Salford at Fallowfield, Manchester. Swinton Lions Head Coach Allan Coleman, said, Joe approached the club last month from where he was based in Australia to ask about an opportunity for 2023. Peter Roe quit as coach of Swinton Lions in September 2003, after less than a year in charge. Such was the Lions success that by the mid-1880s Swinton had become recognised as a national force and unquestionably they were the strongest team in Lancashire. Craig Bellamy (rugby league) Gavin Bennion Ilias Bergal Edmund Beswick Brad Billsborough Albert Blan Ian Blease Mark Bourneville Andy Bracek Jim Brady (rugby league) Joe Bretherton Chris Bridge Danny Bridge Chris Brockbank Sam Brooks (rugby league) James Brown (rugby league) Alan Buckley (rugby league) Owen Buckley Walter Bumby Jordan Burke . By the end of the 1970s the club had hit rock-bottom, even though Station Road continued to host semi-finals and finals. Although born at Wigan 21 years ago, Joe has spent the latter half of his life growing up in Australia, and for the past three years has been playing his rugby league with the Sunshine Coast Falcons. In 1878 came the club's first ventures into Yorkshire, and fairly soon the club was traveling the length of breadth of the country taking on such illustrious opponents as Oxford University. In October 2014 the club announced its intention to return to Park Lane, home of Sedgley Park RUFC as its home base for season 2015. Past players Malcolm Cummings, Bob Fleet, Tony Pratt, Brian Robinson and Derek Whitehead were in attendance along with director of rugby Paul Kidd and current players Phil Joseph and Rob Foxen - a former Swinton High pupil. MATCHFACTS One of these players I believe had a Swinton connection - Jack CHEETHAM (c1936). 18 Dominic Flanagan 11 Rhodri Lloyd 20 Morgan Burgess The new ground could accommodate much larger crowds and the staging of a couple of County matches added to Swinton's growing reputation. Gav Wilson Swinton's first match was against a club called Standard from Eccles, and within 4 or 5 years the team became virtually unbeatable in the Manchester area and beyond. Official Swinton Lions Website - English Rugby League Lions mourn loss of Stan Laing READ MORE Latest News News The Lions' Foundation - Celebrating a Year of Success! 22 Andrew Badrock Military Wiki. The Lions backline of the early 60s still rolls off the tongues of those who witnessed them in full flow. [3] The rest of the professional game in Britain would follow this move to summer. 3 Matt Welham Another 2017 highlight was a sensational victory over Super League Huddersfield in the Challenge Cup. In March 1929, a 22,000 thousand crowd saw the Lions defeat Wigan in the first match on new turf. Cornwall have signed George Mitchell from rugby union landlords Penryn. Appearances:138, Tries:28, Goals:270 4, Alan Buckley Appearances: 466 Tries: 192 Goals: 3 No. He was replaced by Paul Kidd and Ian Watson. Ian Watson took over as player-coach. Once given approval by Salford Council it was envisaged that construction could be completed quickly. 24 Jacob Beer The Swinton Lions are a professional rugby league club based in Swinton, Greater Manchester, England, which competes in the Championship. The Championship (Swinton's 6th) was retained in style 12 months later. Throughout the 1920s the Lions got better and better until at last they won their first Lancashire Cup in 1925 before recapturing the Challenge Cup in 1926. 25 Scott Parnaby Started January 11, By 6 Ben Stead Check out our greatest team of the 2000s Sedgley years, Check out our greatest teams of the 1970s. Hodgson still holds the long distance penalty goal world record with a kick of 77yards (at the Athletic Grounds, Rochdale Hornets, in April 1940). 17 Matt Bailey However, in October 1871 the club decided to join the recently formed Rugby Football Union under the title "Swinton & Pendlebury FC". Dyne then added his second before the break after another good passing movement and Gregson converted to give his side a good lead at the break. Started December 9, 2022, Copyright 2022 League Publications Ltd Under the guidance of Veivers performances and result improved significantly and the Lions finished in a promotional playoff position. Peacetime brought about the shrewdest of gambles by the Lions' directors who had managed to reign in the support of local businessmen. The signings of Hector Halsall, a centre and future inspirationalcaptain, and Albert Jenkins, a brilliant Welsh half-back, provided the catalyst. [11], In the 2021 Championship season, Swinton finished bottom of the table and were relegated after winning only two matches for the entire year. Appearances:182, Tries:39, Goals:28 Please note that the numbers below are based on data contained in the RLP database, and may not be accurate. Referee: Matthew Lynn Attendance: 458 We will see how things go during the remainder of our pre-season and then sit down with Joe ahead of the start of our league campaign., Heywood Road, Sale, M33 3WB | info@swintonlionsrlfc.co.uk | 07932 500 731, Copyright Swinton Lions 2023 | Privacy Policy, Created by Rugby League World Cup England 2021. He rejected a two-year contract to continue as the coach and general manager and left the National League Two club.[5]. Peter Roe led Swinton to promotion from Division Two in 1996. The following 200 pages are in this category, out of approximately 277 total. Louis Brogan was held up on ten minutes but on the next tackle Gregson put in a measured kick for Josh Eaves to chase and score and Gregson converted this one too. You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. A proposal in 1960 to create a Manchester rugby league club at the former White City Stadium on Chester Road, Old Trafford, Stretford, received strong opposition from Salford and Swinton. 3 weeks ago More Articles Meet the Team Rhodri Lloyd Second-Row / Centre In 1886, they moved to Chorley Road. In its heyday it boasted a capacity of 60,000, although with a record attendance of 44,621 for a cup semi-final in 1951 this was never really tested. Valentine's finest hour came when he led his Lions to a Challenge Cup Final success over bitter rivals Salford at Fallowfield in 1900. Although Peter Roe coached the Lions to promotion to the middle tier in 1996, subsequent significant investment by Bury FC owner, Hugh Eaves, in 1997 achieved only a disappointing play-off defeat, and eventually the football club forced the Lions out in 2002. On the field it was realised that season 2016 was going to be extremely tough and so it proved. Note:Twice promoted 1985 & 1987 & Div 2 Premiership 1987, No. Malcolm Billingham, Bedfordshire Bronco Joe still has family in the Wigan area, and was looking to develop his immediate rugby career in England, and having done his research felt that the Lions were a potential fit for both himself and the club. Other than an annual challenge against the local rifle volunteers the only games played in those early days were amongst the club's own membership. The signings of Hector Halsall, a centre and future captain, and Albert Jenkins, a Welsh half-back, provided the catalyst. Note:Won promotion & premiership double in 1987, No.4, Steve Snape Rugby League World Gift Card (UK Only) From: 15.00; Rugby League World - Subscription From: 13.00; League Express Gift Card (UK Only) From: 30.00; League Express - Subscription From: 25.00 Gigg Lane, Bury (1992-2002) These games were played just off Burying Lane (now Station Road), on a field now roughly covered by Buchanan Street. Sin-bin: Moran (70) Interference 15,Alex Melling Graham Williams (28 July 1944 1 July 1994) was an English professional rugby league footballer who played in the 1960s and 1970s, and coached in the 1980s. The most famous of these Victorian sportsmen was Jim Valentine - still arguably the most famous "Lion" that ever lived and who served Swinton for the best part of 20 years. 3 Jake Spedding Where not all appearances are available, figure is displayed in a light grey colour. Tim Streets tache Station Road itself was also recognised as one of the finest grounds in the Rugby League. Supporters are excited about the proposals to bring the home into the heart of its community. Crowds in excess of 20,000 were commonplace at Chorley Road where the fans marveled at the skills of the brothers Bryn at Jack Evans - both of them Great Britain internationals. Subs: (all used) At last they won the Lancashire County Cup in 1925 before recapturing the Challenge Cup in 1926. Dyne then added his second before the break after another good passing movement and Gregson converted to give his side a good lead at the break. The sale of Station Road because of bad debts and the move to Gigg Lane, Bury, in 1992, did not prove the success that the management had imagined. Note:Promoted 3 times in 1985, 1987, 1991, No. Total Rugby League Penalties: 3-4 Half-time: 28-6 Only a financial crisis had insured Swinton's defection from the Union to which they had hitherto been staunchly loyal. He comes to us highly recommended, and Head Coach Allan Coleman will be looking to assess his capabilities ahead of our league opener against Newcastle Thunder on 5th February. Goals: Gregson 6/8 Under new head coach John Duffy, the club relocated to Sedgley Park for season 2015, and a promising start saw the Lions reach the inaugural iPro League 1 Cup Final, which took place at Bloomfield Road on the same weekend as the new Championship Summer Bash. Does anyone have a head and shoulders pic of him or team pic with him on please? I know it's a long shot but any help given will be gratefully received. 13 Liam Welham This was decided at a meeting held in the old school rooms of St Peters, and the club immediately established its headquarters at the Bulls Head. But despite a Second Division title in 1985, and a Second Division Premiership success in 1987, three separate promotions to the top flight simply brought about three immediate relegations. 3, Paul Topping By 13 Liam Welham Ultimately the funding did not materialise and the club later relinquished its lease on the Agecroft site. It was on 20th October of that year that members of Swinton Cricket Club (which had just completed its first season) decided to keep themselves amused during the winter months by playing football. The project has created a range of materials including DVD's, handling boxes of memorabilia, picture packs, and a mobile exhibition that will ensure that future generations can understand and continue to share this passionate and significant element of local culture and identity. They also have a player currently on trial. The link below will show you a gallery of Swinton team photos. This list may not reflect recent changes. Subs (all used) Throughout the 1940s and 1950s the Lions strove unsuccessfully to repeat former glories and often flattered to deceive, but the appointment of Welshman Cliff Evans as coach signalled a renaissance. During the season, on 25 May 2010, Paul Smith announced his resignation from his head coach role and left to play for Leigh. . He comes to us highly recommended, and Head Coach Allan Coleman will be looking to assess his capabilities ahead of our league opener against Newcastle Thunder on 5th February. Bedfordshire Bronco 16 Gav Rodden 3, Bob Fleet Appearances: 329 Tries: 87 Goals: 0 No. The first 13-a-side international Rugby League match took place on this tour, with Wales winning 9-8 against the All Golds before a crowd of 20,000 at Abedare. [1] The club has won the Championship six times and three Challenge Cups. It all became to fruition in 1963 when, under the shrewd captaincy of Albert Blan, the Lions completed the final 18 games of a 30 match league calendar undefeated to walk away with the Championship. In August 2002, the club were brought the club back to within one mile of the Swinton and Pendlebury border when they played their first match at Moor Lane in Kersal as tenants of Salford City F.C., after travelling to Leigh and Chorley to play 'home' matches. IAN RIGG Heywood Road, Sunday Started October 13, 2022, By 8 Brad Clavering Fleet appearances: 466 Tries: M.Welham ( 28 ), and Albert Jenkins, a thousand! 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